Murder moral?

@daytonhartman @unbelievablejb
"so it [murder for pleasure and self relief] is absolutely, objectively wrong? On what basis besides subjective opinion? Further...why is prioritizing your pleasure over another's wrong? Atheism says their just fizzing organic matter. Also...is your standard for judging moral actions the objectively/absolutely correct standard?"

Murder for pleasure is wrong because it harms the community, if the community doesn't thrive then the species doesn't and we suffer. The fizzing organic matter wants to thrive and alturism and charity assists that. It is natural and shown in all populations down to single cell organisms. Religion needs absolute objective measurements, rules, laws in order to control the masses. Atheism doesn't because it uses reason and rational thought. So I take back my tentative agreement that absolute objective rules are necessary to determine morality. If you aren't somehow relieving or preventing suffering or giving pleasure in your actions, you are at risk of not being moral. Are there actions that don't do these things that are not immoral? I can't offhand think of any.

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Bless You

I understand the blessing "bless you" [in response to a sneeze] as a totally selfish concern for your own well being by begging the big sky daddy to bless me so you don't get sick as well.  Atheists don't have an equivalent because when you sneeze, they make plans to avoid the germs and prepare for the upcoming epidemic with hospice care and disposal actions.

 

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Obama has not suggested bigger government. Obama has not grown government. Government employment has declined since Obama took office. These are all easily checked facts Mr. Rubio.
Free enterprise does not build roads. Free enterprise does not educate the workforce. Free enterprise does not do basic research. Free enterprise does not protect our citizens. Free enterprise does not protect our environment. These are the things that president Obama has proposed.
The deficit is not today's problem. The economy is the problem. The economy needs to be fixed. Spending reductions do not fix the economy. Your way just leads to stagnation, further income disparity, and no growth to the economy.



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I was told to look in the mirror as an answer to this.

I look in the mirror and don't see any hatred of minorities. I am a minority. I've tolerated religion all my life and still do, I don't oppress anyone, and seldom make claims without evidence. However, religion doesn't get a free pass anymore. If it makes claims that can't be substantiated, it gets questioned. No longer is faith a virtue. No longer can religion claim moral high ground. No longer can religion claim the only purpose and meaning to life. No longer can religion claim any explanation for why or how we came to be. Showing where religion is wrong is rational human growth, progress out of darkness and superstition. That isn't war, that's rational thought. That's growing out of fear and into understanding of our place in the universe. If the religious feel embattled and persecuted, they should consider the arguments they make based on ancient texts and personal anecdotes that usually are easily explained by statistics, imperfect human perception, and corruption.

I do hate. I hate mutilation of children's genitals in the name of religion. I hate stoning of women on religious grounds. I hate the child abuse that is telling a small child that they will burn in hell without proper belief in gods/Jesus/whatever. I hate the undemocratic control religion has over people with the subsequent inevitable abuse of power. Hate is not always a bad thing.