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30 June, 2008

Conversation with someone

An email conversation I had with someone: italics are my replies.

 Bush appointees help save the 2nd admendment rights in a historic 5-4 vote today.   I used to vote the issues/candidate. Since Sen. Fineswine's attack on the 2nd. admendment along with other, I can't vote for a Democrat.

 Sure, vote for the yahoos who got us into this $Trillion war, wasted our economy, have shown no forsight or leadership in energy conservation and evolution, care nothing about your health care, and rape the Constitution.  Just because you got slighted by a senator who thought the right thing to do about gun deaths was to have registration.  Gun deaths that yearly far outweigh total 9/11 deaths and Iraq war losses.  Free speech, fair trials, and privacy are easily as important as gun rights.

 It is like the people who helped to re-elect Bush because they didn't like gay marriage.  People are dying and being maimed in that fucked up war and they re-elected Bush because they are afraid of gay marriage!  How incredibly stupid.

 Will out lawing gun ownership to law abiding citicens stop gun deaths? Second admendmend IS the constitution. Diane Fineswine nominated a judge to 9 th district court. Passed though the Clinton approval. .     Some fuck named Morales took a girl to a vineyard in Lodi. Beat her TO DEATH with a hammer. Jury convicted the man. Judge followed sentancing guidelines. Sentanced Morales to death. This Fineswine judge got a stay based on the penalty was crual. Fuck that guy. Should beat him with a hammer. Bitch has her agenda of no guns, no death penalty. I don't care about homos but that is her deal also. San Fran.  Free speech? The lib want to ban Rush. See anyone blowing up shit in US? No. Take it to Iraq. Demos won't allow nuke power but don't care what Iran, or N. Korea do. gas prices began the big rise after 2006 congress.   I will give Hillery gredit for one thing. In a debate Obama stated he would start to  pull troops as soon as he took office. Hillery would not not commit to a time table. She stated there was no telling what a person might learn in office faced with all the facts. Just like Truman. He had no idea about the atomic bomb. Hill knew all things can't be disclosed.   Who got us into Vietnam?  Do you think Bill would have been elected if Ross hadn't run?

 Heh, thought that would get a rise out of you.

At least Feinstein's agenda is public and legal.  She works through the legislative process.  The Bushies go around, under and through the Constitution wherever they think they can.  They think the Constitution is an obstacle.  We don't want to ban Rush, we just want his audiance to see what a buffon he is and lose his job.  Freedom of speech is not negotiable.  We've lost more in Iraq than 9/11 and all other terrorist actions combined.  We've also started on the path to eroding Constitutional rights out of fear.  Bush is finally making some progress with the N Koreans with negotiation!  What Democrats have been saying all along!  You think we can force the Iranians to stop their nuclear program?  We have to make it worth their while.  Nuclear power is not off the table for Democrats.

 I don't think the death penality is worth the cost.  Spend millions to execute.  It is cheaper to let them rot in prison.  Kind of like the $Billions we spent to execute Saddam.  Sure, if someone killed my daughter I'd want them dead, but I don't think the government should be in a position to execute it's citizens.  There is no way to insure it is absolutely accurate and fair.  Mistakes are not acceptable with the death penalty.

 The state vote for the death penalty. She got a judge appointed to toss it out. The legal process is expensive. Trying to save the bastard. Putting a guy in prison 40 years?

  Harry Reid called for Rush to be censored. I like Hannity better.

  With all the talk about eletric cars and plug in Hybreds, need nukes for the power.


We did vote for the death penalty, but does that mean it should never be questioned?  Some numbers we didn't know about when it was voted for:

673 currently on death row

13 executions since 1978

59 have died of other causes

6 have been freed because they were found innocent before they could be executed

$117 Million per year EXTRA to have a death row in this state

$174,000 per year EXTRA for each death row inmate


To me it just isn't worth it since 10% die of old age or disease and especially since 1% are innocent.

Leaving them on death row. Fire up "ol sparky and get going. The one's that were inocent were likely hibituals that some cop wanted rid of. Maybe set up. The ones caght with blood on their hands, no dought, light them up as soon as possible. Cop killers. Baby rapers. Fuck them. What about health care for these people? Cary Stayner? Shooting a home boy over a drug deal, no biggy. Some sob that plans something out, or for pay, or gain, or repeat. And this bullshit like Tooky that he has changed and wrote kids books. Not. That was to save his ass after 20 years. Alot of those costs invole the fat contract Gray Davis gave prison guards.Plus liberal lawers trying to get the guy off. If they are so bent to eliminate death penalty, do it pro bono. make a name for themselves . charge more . Like OJ's team. look at what a piece of shit that guy turned out to be.

Dude, this is about as un-American as you can get.  The Constitution set things up to purposely make it hard to convict someone.  Otherwise we would be like Zimbabwe or Russia or Iran.  Too fucking bad OJ got off, the state didn't convice the jury.  They picked a bad jury, prosecutors made a bad case, the judge was a goofball.  Oh well, get over it.  Our system is designed to bias mistakes towards not finding the guilty guilty, and not to find the innocent guilty by mistake.  Sometimes the guilty goes free.  It is more important to keep the innocent from being convicted.  Some cop doesn't have the right to determine someone's guilt.  The cost of converting the 673 to life in prison (even with health care) is nothing compared to the hundreds of thousands already in prison.  The appeals are mandated by law, not by "liberal lawyers". 
If it weren't for "liberal lawyers", you would have all your email monitored by the government, every web site you visit logged, every book you read controlled, monitored, censored.  Cops could slap cuffs on you and throw you in jail with no explaination.  You would have to explain every road trip you make and get permission.  This shit happens all over the world and we are lucky to have the rights and privilages we have.  And the protection of those rights have been by veterans and lawyers.  Vets have protected us from the external threats, lawyers have protected us from the internal threats to our rights.  I respect cops a lot, but absolute power corrupts and therefore the law and lawyers, unfortunately, are necessary. 

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