You read from the bottom up... but just skip to my reply below.
@BertmcdRm don't get me wrong.I'm a big believer in making ur dreams come true.It can't depend on the actions of others @EEElverhoy @fly44d
Why doesn't the Left GET That?Mothers must've told em ALL YOUR DREAMS CAN COME TRUE. Expectations, very High @kpresley7 @EEElverhoy @fly44d
hard to make sense when ur chasing ur tail. Insanity = utopian dream *dreams can't be dependent on others @BertmcdRm @EEElverhoy @fly44d
Funny. Went from taxes to natural order to in this all together...whatever was meant by that. Life? Taxes? @EEElverhoy @fly44d @kpresley7
.@fly44d Tom, u have the right to your life view.U have the right to live by what u believe.U don't have the right to impose it @EEElverhoy
@fly44d @BertmcdRm @kpresley7 I didn't realize the key to liberty was a utopian view of the right to the fruits of my labor.
@fly44d @kpresley7 @EEElverhoy I get it! It's natural to cage people and point guns at their head for noncompliance!
When a libertarian says "natural law" it has zero to do with "survival of the fittest" ZERO... @fly44d @kpresley7 @EEElverhoy
My reply:
@BertmcdRm @kpresley7 @EEElverhoy @FreedomFW @mantis8585 So, there seems to be some misconceptions about what my position is in your discussion about me. I am not looking for utopia. Per the original posts, I am looking for a level(er) playing field of opportunity. I don't want to take your money or anyone else's. Statistically, I probably make twice as much as you do anyway. I am not looking for someone to make my dreams come true, I want my kids to have a chance to make it happen. I want everyone to have a chance. Even you.
I think those who prosper from the society they live in must contribute to the society in a way that pays back for what that society provided them. If your business causes $1million in road damage to truck your goods to market and you only pay $1000 in road taxes, there is a deficit. But if you also pay your workers good wages, that can easily make up for it. If you pay crap wages and no benefits and whenever they have medical issues they have to depend on charity care, that is a big deficit. Their taxes aren't helping pay for the road damage and everyone else's health insurance and costs is impacted. When a business takes from society and doesn't pay back, then everyone else loses. Someone has to pay somewhere. And that is what is happening. The top 10% are raking it in and not paying the costs somehow, with taxes, wages, investment, charity. They are not.
Do you know that you probably have not had an effective raise, except for occasional promotions, for the last 10-12 years? Even though productivity of the American worker has improved by more than 25%?
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2013/01/13/opinion/13greenhousech.html?ref=sunday-review
Do you have ANY sense to what the actual wealth disparity is in this country? Probably not.
http://youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsM
HOW can a vibrant economy with opportunity exist in this situation? It can't.
How does this change? Taxes and fees for those who use the system we provide them. Regulation for health care coverage. Fair wages commensurate to the work. I am an aerospace engineer and the companies do wage "market research" to set our wages. That is not a free wage market. That is the equivalent to price fixing and should be illegal. What does it do? It keeps wages flat. It happens everywhere, companies pay "per the market". If you happen to get a 10% better offer somewhere, good luck with raises the next three years. They will hold you to the market from then on. It is like working in a communist country, work your butt off, increase productivity, make profit, no raise. That IS what is happening. Wage fixing should be illegal in this country. The minimum wage must be raised.
Those who need help should get it, because it gets them spending money in the economy instead of being outside it. The majority of those who get assistance don't like it, it isn't a good life, are working full time anyway, and don't stay on it any longer than they need to. For the very reasons you cite, making your own life is much better than living off someone else. Sure you can cite anecdotes about welfare queens but that isn't the rule or the data. Look it up somewhere other than Faux Noise. Giving help makes us better people, surely you know that... The Inuits didn't put their elders out when they became a burden, the elders left out of self sacrifice, service to their communities. Government helping those in need is our self sacrifice to them and is an investment for the society. The Inuits didn't have a choice about what happens, we do, we have wealth far beyond their imaginations, we don't need to cut the rope to the needy or ask them to walk away into the wilderness.
When our society decides to help the poor, sick, and disadvantaged with increased taxes or fees, that is a decision we made with our elected government. Like it or not. You don't get to live in this country and not participate. If you don't want to, leave. (I have no idea where, Russia maybe?) Or try to convince the rest of us that your way is better and change the decision. You are honestly welcome to try. But, if it is an imposition on you you don't like, basically, too fucking bad. You are here, benefitting from our society, if you want to stay and play, you pay. It is the price you pay for being where you are. The Libertarian utopia you seem to long for has never existed or lasted. Mainly because it can't.
Frankly, you people are ugly. Your destain for what I tried to say is ugly. Someday you may need some help and if the country is the way you want it, I hope you suffer. I have a lot of compassion for those in need. I have none for those who cause it.
